Hacking the Matrix
Dr. Simon Duan tells us how to hack the Matrix!
Laura Giles (00:01.441)
Simon, I'm so happy that you're here. When I saw your website, MetaComputics, is that how you say it? MetaComputics Lab. Yeah, it says that you're developing new post -materialism technologies to help people transcend the matrix, reprogram the rendering engine and better control mundane reality. And I was like, we got to hear about that.
Simon Duan (00:11.47)
Yes, that's right.
Laura Giles (00:30.113)
I want to know what does that mean and what are you doing? What brought you to developing these things?
Simon Duan (00:41.518)
Yes, thank you for having me, Laura. I'm Simon Duan. My background is actually a scientist. So that's my background. I came to UK from China in 1980s as a student. So I came to the UK as a student. I finished my education with a PhD from material science from Cambridge.
And now I worked in many years, decades in industry doing research and development, technology development, technology consultation, and management consultancy, both in the UK and in China. So I'm supposed to be a materialist scientist. So that's my formal education.
So yeah, I have been happily working as a materialist scientist until about 20 years ago, I encountered some paranormal phenomena. And then that sort of triggered my interest to look beyond materialist science. So yeah, because I have a background in science, I'm very...
curious about all phenomenas, including normal physical phenomena as well as paranormal non -physical phenomena.
Laura Giles (02:22.273)
So what was the paranormal experience that you had?
Simon Duan (02:25.326)
do you have time? I come across all sorts, yeah. All sorts, a wide range of phenomena. But my sort of initial encounter is actually with a, you would call him a witch doctor, which took my wisdom tooth out effortlessly. Yeah.
Laura Giles (02:28.993)
Simon Duan (02:54.862)
So yeah, I was traveling in China on business and my wisdom to start to play out become very painful. So I initially consulted with the traditional not traditional, I mean, conventional dentist. I was told I need a general anesthetic because it's quite complete the case and the wisdom to this is quite deep.
was quite deep. So, and then a friend of mine said, why don't you go to see this dentist is doing a fantastic job. So, yeah, out of curiosity, I, yeah, I went to this clinic. And when I get there, I saw many sort of photos of celebrities with him and also many leaders.
including the members of Chinese Communist Party Poly Bureau members. They all took their wisdom tooth out in that clinic. So that was encouraging to me. Yeah, so I said, yeah, let's go ahead. So what this guy did was really amazing. And he just used a tweezers, pair of tweezers to pick it out.
Laura Giles (04:08.545)
Yeah.
Simon Duan (04:23.918)
effortlessly. Yeah, crazy. When I went to lunch together with him, and during lunch I asked him, what happened? What did you do to me? He said, I have an incantation. You know, the incantation is like a spell, like a mantra. It's like, he said, I have this five syllable incantation.
Laura Giles (04:26.881)
That sounds crazy.
Simon Duan (04:53.774)
which is passed down from my family in many generations. And I use that to loosen my patients teeth so I can take them out effortlessly. So this triggered my curiosity beyond the materialist science. So since then, I spend a lot of my off -duty time visit paranormal.
phenomena.
Laura Giles (05:25.217)
That's really interesting because I have a acupuncturist and he has an incantation. He just does it and I'm not really paying all that much attention to it, but we have often called him a witch doctor because the stuff that he does is just unexplainable.
Simon Duan (05:29.006)
Yeah.
Simon Duan (05:47.054)
Yeah, yeah. And then I realized that there's many people like that. They have all different skills and different meanings and different traditions. They can do all sorts of things. And some people, they can actually see through your organ. And they can see where the problem is. They can diagnose you with your mental eye, yeah, with their third eye.
Laura Giles (05:54.273)
Mm -hmm. Mm -hmm.
Laura Giles (06:06.465)
Mm -hmm.
Simon Duan (06:15.95)
And some of them can actually to make your tumor shrink as well as grow at will. And so those doctors, they are practicing daily. They are not just cheating. They actually, their method, they actually work. And also I can't cross people who can...
to what we call psychokinesis, yeah, which they can interact with a physical object, which is a primer interesting for me because I study physics, study materials, and they can change the property of matter and they can put solid object into a bottle, yeah.
the object is bigger than the opening of the bottle. Yeah, they can actually put object inside the bottle and they can also take it out. Yeah, so basically they can pass solid object through a solid barrier. Yeah.
Laura Giles (07:16.897)
Mm -hmm.
Laura Giles (07:33.569)
So this is the type of technology that you're working on developing?
Simon Duan (07:37.23)
No, no, but this is the phenomena which I'm interested in investigating, interested in explaining, interested to understand how this works. Yeah. And also there's people who can teleport object from one location to another location by mind. Yeah. So that's a wide range of phenomena.
which I spent a lot of time investigating. Of course, there's also people who see UFO.
Laura Giles (08:16.32)
Yeah, normally when I'm talking about paranormal, we're talking about UFOs or ghosts or something like that.
Simon Duan (08:22.574)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, people see that and people encounter with ghosts, with operations, with UFOs. Some of them can see those kind of things at will. Yeah, it's a UFO sometimes we see as a public event. Many people can witness this. But for some people, they can see them at will.
Laura Giles (08:50.561)
So what do you think is the difference between those people and people who can't?
Simon Duan (08:55.502)
Well, I can explain that from my theory because out of all those encounters, also my personal encounter, as well as looking at people who had experience by listening to them, I realized there's a far more phenomena which science is focused on. Yeah, science is focused on the phenomena which is publicly
verifiable, repeatable, controllable. But it's only a subset of phenomena. Yeah, the natural phenomena is a much, much wider range of phenomena, which are not necessarily controllable, not necessarily repeatable, but they are real. It happens to people. They impact people tremendously. So,
Laura Giles (09:39.521)
Mm -hmm.
Simon Duan (09:52.014)
I need to understand how those phenomena work as well. So initially those phenomena fascinates me and then it becomes troublesome because they bother me because I couldn't understand them. How could those happen? Yeah, as a scientist, it's like intellectual itch which really bothers me.
I need to explain. So, yeah, for many years, it has been troubling me. And I realized I have to go beyond materialist science and to look into post materialist science paradise.
Laura Giles (10:40.385)
So I get that and I love that. I'm just wondering, because this goes back 20 years for you, it seems to me, and I'm not in the scientific community, that scientists just don't do that because you would just be ostracized. Was that the case?
Simon Duan (10:46.958)
Hmm.
Simon Duan (10:55.278)
Yes, yes, yes. So mainstream scientists community, they refuse to believe this. They refuse to accept this is a real phenomenon. They always think it's a fraud. Yes, so this is a trick. A trick, yeah. So because I have my own encounter and also I made a lot of people with psychic.
Laura Giles (11:02.945)
Mm.
Simon Duan (11:24.206)
abilities, I actually trust them. I realize they can see what we cannot see. Yeah, for scientists, we actually sometimes we need instrument, we need tools to detect the unobservable. Yeah. It's not everything we cannot see everything. So we need the microscope to see very small object. We need telescope to see
Laura Giles (11:30.465)
Mm.
Laura Giles (11:41.953)
Mm -hmm.
Simon Duan (11:54.478)
outer space which we cannot reach with our physical eyes. But the psychic people, they have their own instrument. Sometimes they call it third eye or mind eye. So I see those as instruments also. We should actually take those instruments seriously to use that to discover something we cannot observe ourselves.
even with instruments, even with physical instruments. Yeah. So I made a lot of friends with psychic people. I sort of respected them. And in return, they trust me. They tell me all sorts of things. They tell me what they can see, what they experience, which is beyond normal experience. From all those information, I developed my own theories.
So that's come back to your original question, how I actually started working on this. The short answer is that I need to explain phenomena which cannot be explained by materialist science. Yeah.
Laura Giles (13:08.897)
So tell me about your theory.
Simon Duan (13:11.246)
So the theory is actually based on the simulation hypothesis, which sees this world, this universe as a matrix. And this is not new. I mean, Matrix movie, that's in early 1990s. So that made the concept very popular, the movie Matrix. But before Matrix, there's already a lot of scientists.
speculating. For example, in 1969, a German computer scientist called Conrad Rosi, and he actually, he was the first one to speculate the universe is actually a computer, computer output. Yeah.
because he is one of the pioneers for computer science and he even developed the first program about computer in 1940s. So yeah, he first proposed this idea and then in 1990, a very famous physicist, John Wheeler, he proposed a very famous phrase called it from bit. Yeah, meaning everything.
every physical has information as a fundamental reality. So the bit is the essence of it. And it, which is everything physical, is derived from information. So this is not new. And more recently, in early 2000, Oxford...
philosopher Nick Bostrom. He also proposed a simulation argument. According to him, our universe is almost definitely a simulation. Yeah, but so far all those are speculations only. Yeah, they are not actually theory, not even a hypothesis. Because to me,
Simon Duan (15:35.918)
If you want to develop speculation into a theory, you need to answer some very basic questions like, where is the computer? Yeah, what is made of? Yeah, all those basic questions we need to answer. Yeah, if the universe is rendered by computer, yeah, we need to know where is the computer and what is made of, how is it built?
and what are its properties. And of course, a very big question is who is the programmer? Yeah, so by answering those questions, we can develop the speculation into a scientific theory. And that's what I've been doing in the last more than 10 years. So in my model, I made the speculation into a model. In this model, the computer,
is in the Platonic realm. Yeah, in Plato's philosophy there's a realm of forms. Yeah, that's not in physical reality. It's beyond the physical realm of forms where abstract objects, abstract entities exist. Yeah, for example, if we have a
We have all sorts of apples here, yeah? We have a green apple, red apple, we have a sweet apple, sour apple, big apple, small apple. All those physical apples, they have a common archetype in the realm of forms. We call it apple -ness, yeah, which is perfect apple. It's non -physical, it's abstract, but it's perfect.
We have different dogs here, different size, shape and sizes. Yeah. We have a poodle. We have labradors. We have a parks and all those dogs, they have a common archetype and call it dogness. So beyond the physical, there's a realm of forms, which is more real, more fundamental, more essential. So that's.
Simon Duan (18:04.398)
Plato's philosophy. Yeah. So apply those principle because every physical reality have a corresponding archetype. We can postulate that because we have a physical computer made of silicon, we ought to have a abstract metaphysical computer. Yeah. In the platonic realm of forms.
which is abstract, which is perfect, which is the most powerful, more real. That's the computer. I kind of call it platonic computer. And this reality, the material reality is rendered by this platonic computer. So the platonic computer renders the physical reality. Physical computer.
renders the virtual reality. So we have a parallel two layers. Yeah. If you can access the platonic computer, you can change the parameters, you can reprogram it, and therefore the physical reality can change.
Laura Giles (19:24.417)
Well, do you think that's happening because there's a lot of freaky things happening or at least it seems to be more common with paranormal activity than there ever used to be. So either people are reporting it more or it's happening more.
Simon Duan (19:39.502)
I think paranormal phenomena happens all the time. It's as old as human civilization, I would say. Yeah, so the reason they reported more, people encountered more, because they made aware this exists by social media. Yeah, so people hear more, and therefore they have a concept that this may exist, and then they see more.
Laura Giles (19:48.897)
Sure.
Laura Giles (20:08.801)
That's what I think too. I think that, you know, you talk about the dog man, you talk about ETs, then you just see them more because they're just more in your awareness.
Simon Duan (20:18.67)
That's right. Yeah. You become more aware. You realize its existence. Then you see more. I think that's what's happening. And yeah, but to be able to actually to treat them properly, I think we need to understand how those happens. And I think UFO, for example, as well as operations,
Laura Giles (20:41.249)
Yes.
Simon Duan (20:48.078)
They are real. They are as real as the physical reality.
However, they are not physical. In my model, the platonic computer can operate at a different level. The computer can operate at different clock speed. I don't know whether you're familiar with computer. Computer has a clock, yeah? And the clock can operate at a different clock speed. And different clock speed gave rise to...
Laura Giles (21:14.049)
I'm following you. Yeah.
Simon Duan (21:24.526)
to different update rate, different refraction rate. And that update rate correspond to a vibration frequency.
So each clock speed produce a universe vibrating at different vibration frequency. So at another level of reality, which is non -physical, you also have rendering. The rendered universe is parallel to this universe by its vibration at different frequency.
and they have different set of rules, different law of physics. Therefore, they don't have to necessarily behave as a physical object because they are not physical. However, they are equally real because they are equally rendered by this computer. Yeah. And I...
Laura Giles (22:25.153)
So when the veil between the worlds thins or however this happens that these two realities collide and you see something like a scary thing, whatever that is, and it's, I see a lot of these stories and they have this scary thing and they're like, you know, they're coming at you and they're threatening, but they don't ever actually hurt you. Is it because they're not physical?
Simon Duan (22:37.806)
Mm.
Simon Duan (22:50.766)
Most times they are not physical. Yeah.
Laura Giles (22:53.441)
You say most times, so sometimes they are.
Simon Duan (22:56.238)
Well, physical is basically a set of properties. Physical property like a solidity, like transparency. Those are physical properties. Physical properties can be rendered by programming. So all you need is change the program. Now you can make something physical or make something non -physical. So...
Laura Giles (23:18.433)
Hmm.
Laura Giles (23:24.673)
Okay.
Simon Duan (23:26.35)
As long as you can alter the programming, alter the code, this can happen. But for UFOs operations, I think that default frequency is not in this universe. They are at another level of universe, which is vibration at different vibration frequencies. Each level of the universe have different vibration frequency.
which is akin to radio and TV stations, which is also vibrating at different frequencies. Yeah. If we tune in different vibration of frequency, we receive different TV program. So I think it works similar way. Non -physical reality, they operate at a different vibration frequency. However, sometimes they can talk about...
alter their vibration frequency so that they become our vibration frequency. At that time, they become visible to us.
Laura Giles (24:35.521)
Okay, so they're hacking the matrix, so how can we hack the matrix?
Simon Duan (24:40.654)
Some of us, we can also tune different vibration frequencies. And therefore, we can observe them. We can sort of receive their signal, receive their broadcasting, receive their TV channel. Yeah, some people actually can tune different vibration frequency. That's how they, some of them, they can see ghosts, they can see apparitions, they can see UFO at will.
because they can tune in different vibration frequency. And another way they appear is that they actually shift their vibration frequency from that default vibration frequency into our vibration frequency. Then they become visible to us. They are not physical. They obey different laws. And therefore, it becomes very peculiar to us.
they can suddenly appear and suddenly disappear. Yeah, because they can just tune, but changing the vibration frequency, they disappear. So yeah, there's many levels of reality beyond this physical.
Now there are many layers, many levels of reality. They are all operated at the different rule sets. Yeah, we have a law of physics which govern this reality.
Laura Giles (26:08.385)
Speaking of law of physics, so if I, you were talking earlier about being able to teleport and things like that, if I teleported to Philadelphia, let's say, or I teleported a box of jewels to me, would that work?
Are there any implications for that?
Simon Duan (26:34.29)
Yeah, I'll tell you a story. We did some controlled experiment with a guy who can teleport money. We locked him in a room in the lab. We actually stripped him out completely, stripped his underwear as well, and locked him in the room.
He actually managed to teleport some banknotes into the room where he was. Money. And so we had to pay him. He make a living by performing those kind of things. We ask him, why don't you just use the money? Why do you have to ask us for money, for payment?
He said that the money I teleported, I cannot use. And they were disappearing a few days again.
So there's also governing principles at a different reality. So you can't just do whatever you want to do. There's a limitation. I think there's also permission, what you can do, what you can't.
Laura Giles (28:00.993)
My mind's going crazy with ideas over here. I mean, you could just do whatever you wanted. So what are the restrictions? What are the rules?
Simon Duan (28:10.222)
I mean, different levels have different rules. Like here we have gravity, which governs the physical objects. You cannot really fly at will. However, in other non -physical reality, you can just fly. It's like your dream, like in your lucid dream. That's another level of reality. You can actually fly if you want to. But there's other...
Laura Giles (28:15.585)
Yeah.
Simon Duan (28:39.726)
rules as well, which we can discover if we can investigate systematically through those psychic people. Yeah. So people who does lucid dreaming as well. So meditators, some meditators, they can tune different vibration, friction, they can explore different level reality. And that's
Laura Giles (29:05.793)
So we're still discovering what the laws are.
Simon Duan (29:08.942)
Yes, yes, but they are not physical.
Laura Giles (29:10.113)
Okay.
Laura Giles (29:14.241)
Okay, so can we alter the program or is it just like a temporary blip?
Simon Duan (29:21.454)
I think it's temporarily, locally. Otherwise it becomes really messy. I think we actually need some rules to play this game. To make this place in order. I think some people can actually alter them locally, temporarily.
Laura Giles (29:38.881)
Yes. Yes.
Simon Duan (29:50.734)
in a smaller scale but I don't think
Laura Giles (29:53.057)
Yes, because I have a friend, her grandson died and she had this helium balloon and it was just a little little deflated. So it wasn't totally inflated and it wasn't completely at the ceiling, but it came down out of his room, floated out of the room into where she was sitting and then sat there next to her. She had this whole thing on film. She showed it to me. It was she sat there for like a couple of minutes.
and then floated out of the room, not up at the ceiling where it should have been, and then floated back to where it was. And this same grandson, this was crazy. So the first one was crazy, but the second one was even crazier, called her cell phone and left a video message. So she didn't pick it up because it was from a number she didn't recognize. And it was a video message of him and a text to her with her name on it. How do you...
Alter the matrix to be able to do that. Any explanation?
Simon Duan (30:55.47)
Yeah, we did a lot of experiment with photography, thought photography. Yeah, so you can actually transfer image in your mind into camera. Yeah, originally people did the experiment, they can sort of transfer the image into the film.
into polarized film, polarized camera. Nowadays, some people can actually transfer images into cell phone. Yeah, so if it's information system, yeah, if it's a computation system, we can understand because it's like an airdrop.
Yeah, so your your in your mind. Yeah, that's that's one display. Yeah. Your cell phone or your camera. It's another display. If you can make them sink, you can actually add drop. Images.
Laura Giles (31:53.021)
Okay.
Laura Giles (32:13.505)
Gotcha.
Simon Duan (32:14.638)
Yeah, so because it's all information system. It's a big matrix and the matrix is an information system. And if you make a good connection, you can airdrop things.
Laura Giles (32:29.217)
So what is meta -consciousness and how does that play into all of this?
Simon Duan (32:34.734)
Meta consciousness in my model is the ultimate reality. That's everything. That's the source of everything. Yeah, I define it as the power to conceive, perceive and be self aware. It's the power, power to create and to experience its creation. And they have a
it has a subjectivity, the I, the self, the self, the I, create and experience my creation. And that's the fundamental reality. And how the creation happened? Through computation.
Yeah, so the matter consciousness, the ultimate reality, creativity, and initially create this machine created this computer.
Laura Giles (33:37.377)
So is that outside of us or is that inside of us?
Simon Duan (33:43.662)
Good question. I mean, ultimately, there's only one consciousness, yeah, which is I call it matter consciousness. Yeah. And that consciousness through this computation creates contents, the contents, including each one of us at different level reality, and also our environment, the world.
Yeah, they are all made of consciousness. Everything is made of consciousness. But in my model, the process, the mechanism of manifestation is computation. So you have this meta consciousness, you make it into binary. And with the binary, you build this machine. With this machine, you create contents. Yeah, so...
Each one of us have an individual consciousness. The individual consciousness is just the fragmentation of this matter consciousness. Eventually we are all one. But this one consciousness fragments into different pieces. We each share one of the pieces.
Not only we, I mean everything. Yeah, animals, plants and minerals. Yeah, everything share some consciousness. And so we experience from our own perspectives. We have a different space and time. And from this perspective, we
experience the diversity of the universe for this matter consciousness. So matter consciousness, the creativity, it creates everything. Yeah. And with this everything, it creates diversity, creates individual consciousness. Through individual consciousness, the matter consciousness can experience its own creation.
Laura Giles (35:47.265)
So.
Simon Duan (36:08.75)
in a diverse manner.
Laura Giles (36:11.169)
So if your theory is correct, then what would you say is the best way to spend our time here?
Simon Duan (36:20.654)
Ultimately, it's this, we are one, yeah? And that one is also love. Yeah, and that love, yeah! So that love manifests into diverse ways of loving, yeah? That's the absolute, the highest level of love.
Laura Giles (36:31.873)
That's my answer too.
Simon Duan (36:47.246)
But to diversify that love into different diversity, yeah, then it becomes love between lover, between men, women, between parents and children and between friends. Yeah. So we experience different way of loving. So that's our purpose. And also we...
experience the diversity, experience the creativity, which is awesome. Yeah. The immense creativity to create the diversity, all sorts of different people, different environment, different lifestyle, different experience. And we are here to experience our creativity, basically, and experience loving.
Get to us.
Laura Giles (37:47.041)
Well, Simon, I had no idea that we were going to go here and I'm delighted. Yeah. And I'd like to give you the last word. What thought or idea would you like to leave the audience with?
Simon Duan (38:00.834)
Yeah, I have a website, metacomputics .com. And if you are interested in my work, you can look into my YouTube channel. It's listed on the website. My publication, I have some academic papers, including one published in Scientific America. I have my Twitter account, X account.
If you are interested in my work, you can follow. And also I carry some private consultations to help those people who are ready to escape the matrix. So now I'm going to...
Laura Giles (38:48.257)
Tell me more about that. Like, what do you do? So, I'm Simon, I'm calling you up, I'm ready to escape the Matrix. How can you help me?
Simon Duan (38:54.626)
Not many people are interested in. It's like a building, if you understand how it's built, yeah, then you know where to find the exit. Also, different people are in a different awareness, different level of consciousness, yeah. So I work with people who...
Laura Giles (38:57.793)
I think lots of them are. I think lots of them are.
Simon Duan (39:24.846)
are interested in the matrix, get out of the matrix, initially to help them to understand where they are in this matrix. Yeah, as I said, we have different level of reality, different level of realization of our true potential. So we are in a different position. And once you locate your own position and you know where you go,
Now we can work out a best book roadmap for people. So help along the way and each step's getting closer to getting out of this. And it's not necessarily just escape it, yeah? Because we are still here physically. But if the higher self, I call it higher self, can escape. Once you...
the higher self escaped. Even you're physically still here, you can work better. You can in more control of this reality because that higher self which already escaped the matrix has the access to the machine, has the access to the codes, has the access to the interaction with the computer and therefore,
your higher self will be able to manipulate reality for you. Yeah, so once you escape, basically you're freer. You're no longer NPC. Yeah, many people actually live their life like NPC. We are programmed to react certain ways. Yeah, we are programmed.
to fight, to fight war, to hate each other. But if you can alter that program, you can reprogram yourself. You can actually bin some program, just trash, to put it in the trash bin and you download other programs. Your life can change enormously. And also because your higher self actually,
Laura Giles (41:40.321)
Yeah.
Simon Duan (41:49.422)
No better because it knows the scenery, knows the whole scenery. Yeah. It's like when we play a game like GTA, we can actually access a map. We know where to go. Yeah. If you are not outside the game, you are still in the game. You can only see limited amount of road ahead of you. Yeah. And then you bump into things. Yeah. You don't have a whole picture.
So getting out of the matrix also helps you to make decisions. Decision making is a crucial part of our life. We make decisions all the time. But if your higher self is active, the player is actually playing, you know what's the best decision for you, short term, even longer term. Instead of just...
Live as NPC, just react to situations according to the preset program. That's not a good life.
Laura Giles (42:55.713)
Yeah, that's not living. Yeah.
Simon Duan (42:57.582)
Yeah. So the aim is actually living, living a life. Yeah. Play the game. Yeah. Control the game.
Laura Giles (43:02.433)
Yes.
Laura Giles (43:11.073)
I appreciate you so much being here and especially for being here on our debut. And thank you so much for sharing everything that all the links will be in the show notes so nobody has to write anything down.
Simon Duan (43:16.11)
I'm sorry.
Simon Duan (43:22.574)
Thank you so much for having me. Yeah. If you're going to sort of release this, let me know. I'll help you to promote it as well. Promote your channel.
Laura Giles (43:24.673)
Sure.
Laura Giles (43:31.841)
Okay, thank you.
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